there were moments, we saw that in 1990 when he did that eight-city tour. i think when he went to detroit he quoted marvin gay. in front of that audience, it was brilliant. mother, mother, too many of -- brother, brother, too many of you are dying, mother, mother, too many are crying. he understood the moment. >> schieffer: what did he say in new york? >> can i just tell a story. when we were doing christmas kindness in south africa go to remote villages. thousands of kids would be waiting for their soccer balls and jersey. a local politician went on for an hour about political theory. nelson mandela did twinkle, twinkle, little star and sat down. he knew the beauty of it. we were at his house, the crowd, not enough toys, crowd was getting unruly they were breaking down the fence, his security said, no, you can't go. no, oprah, you can't go. he said, i'm going. i'm going out in to the crowd. oprah said, i'm going out in the crowd. i'm saying, i'm not going to be that guy. a frightening situation. he had such faith and such trust in humankind. >> schieffer: